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		<title>By: Mor (Ears and Gears)</title>
		<link>http://www.independentrockstar.com/68/are-you-a-beggar-or-a-rockstar/comment-page-1/#comment-2244</link>
		<dc:creator>Mor (Ears and Gears)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, brother.</description>
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		<title>By: Scott James</title>
		<link>http://www.independentrockstar.com/68/are-you-a-beggar-or-a-rockstar/comment-page-1/#comment-2206</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 06:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Aman,

Thanks for your comment/question!  I don&#039;t think that there&#039;s anything inherently wrong with eliciting support.  At some point though in the life / career of an artist you have to step up to the plate and deliver the goods.  What I see a lot of is bands playing shows where their fans pay say $10 to get in, but the show they deliver isn&#039;t worth half of that.  These bands tend to operate out of a model that their fans should go see them to &#039;support&#039; them.  

That&#039;s ok to a point, if you&#039;re a young band just starting out and you need to learn your craft.  If you intend to play with the big boys then you&#039;ve got to deliver.  You have to deliver a show that&#039;s worth twice the cost of admission.  If you can&#039;t do that then what you need isn&#039;t more support, but more practice, knowledge and experience.  You need to commit to getting there.  Otherwise you will most certainly not be successful.

The fans have to receive the value, otherwise they won&#039;t return and you won&#039;t be able to sustain your strategy.  So support is fine, but it must be rewarded and YOU, the band/artist, have to take responsibility for delivering the reward.  

As for supporting other bands, I think that brings up a good point, which I&#039;ll probably blog about soon.  Bands can and should do a lot more to help each other make money and build their fanbases.  Hopefully you can find other bands out there who you get along with and enjoy playing with who can help you create a supportive community.  Bands can do so much more together than they can individually.  I&#039;ll elaborate further in an upcoming blog post.

To address the issue of begging vs. selfish turds, if you keep asking other bands for support then yes, you&#039;re begging.  If you find mutually beneficial opportunities and propose them to other artists then you&#039;re not begging.  Some bands think that because they go to another band&#039;s show that that other band should return the favor and go to their show in return.  This is their idea of how support works.  Really they&#039;re just trying to obligate the other band to going to their show, which is likely how they try to get a lot of their friends/fans to go to their shows as well.  This isn&#039;t how it works.  

What you want is to find other artists who naturally want to play shows with you and will otherwise show up to your shows because they actually want to!  These are the kinds of people who you want to start a supporting community with.  More on this soon....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Aman,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment/question!  I don&#8217;t think that there&#8217;s anything inherently wrong with eliciting support.  At some point though in the life / career of an artist you have to step up to the plate and deliver the goods.  What I see a lot of is bands playing shows where their fans pay say $10 to get in, but the show they deliver isn&#8217;t worth half of that.  These bands tend to operate out of a model that their fans should go see them to &#8216;support&#8217; them.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s ok to a point, if you&#8217;re a young band just starting out and you need to learn your craft.  If you intend to play with the big boys then you&#8217;ve got to deliver.  You have to deliver a show that&#8217;s worth twice the cost of admission.  If you can&#8217;t do that then what you need isn&#8217;t more support, but more practice, knowledge and experience.  You need to commit to getting there.  Otherwise you will most certainly not be successful.</p>
<p>The fans have to receive the value, otherwise they won&#8217;t return and you won&#8217;t be able to sustain your strategy.  So support is fine, but it must be rewarded and YOU, the band/artist, have to take responsibility for delivering the reward.  </p>
<p>As for supporting other bands, I think that brings up a good point, which I&#8217;ll probably blog about soon.  Bands can and should do a lot more to help each other make money and build their fanbases.  Hopefully you can find other bands out there who you get along with and enjoy playing with who can help you create a supportive community.  Bands can do so much more together than they can individually.  I&#8217;ll elaborate further in an upcoming blog post.</p>
<p>To address the issue of begging vs. selfish turds, if you keep asking other bands for support then yes, you&#8217;re begging.  If you find mutually beneficial opportunities and propose them to other artists then you&#8217;re not begging.  Some bands think that because they go to another band&#8217;s show that that other band should return the favor and go to their show in return.  This is their idea of how support works.  Really they&#8217;re just trying to obligate the other band to going to their show, which is likely how they try to get a lot of their friends/fans to go to their shows as well.  This isn&#8217;t how it works.  </p>
<p>What you want is to find other artists who naturally want to play shows with you and will otherwise show up to your shows because they actually want to!  These are the kinds of people who you want to start a supporting community with.  More on this soon&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Aum</title>
		<link>http://www.independentrockstar.com/68/are-you-a-beggar-or-a-rockstar/comment-page-1/#comment-2187</link>
		<dc:creator>Aum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Scott...I find your philosophy quite intriguing....I understand the point about showing &quot;Value&quot; as a performer but don&#039;t understand how &quot;begging&quot; people for something like support or asking for a helping hand can be a bad thing...Most people are as clueless as the next person about what it means to the performer to be a fan/supporter... I&#039;m guessing there must be a fine balance between asking for for support and receiving support through your music/performance....I support a lot of band simply cause of their music, some support mine..but some don&#039;t cause i feel that they may not want to share with their fans someone who is in direct local &quot;competition&quot; with them..... Am I begging for it or are they just being selfish turds? Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Scott&#8230;I find your philosophy quite intriguing&#8230;.I understand the point about showing &#8220;Value&#8221; as a performer but don&#8217;t understand how &#8220;begging&#8221; people for something like support or asking for a helping hand can be a bad thing&#8230;Most people are as clueless as the next person about what it means to the performer to be a fan/supporter&#8230; I&#8217;m guessing there must be a fine balance between asking for for support and receiving support through your music/performance&#8230;.I support a lot of band simply cause of their music, some support mine..but some don&#8217;t cause i feel that they may not want to share with their fans someone who is in direct local &#8220;competition&#8221; with them&#8230;.. Am I begging for it or are they just being selfish turds? Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mcgrady</title>
		<link>http://www.independentrockstar.com/68/are-you-a-beggar-or-a-rockstar/comment-page-1/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Mcgrady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a profoundly moving article.  I think the good lord will part the heavens for a man who makes the absolute-most of each and every day with the resources he has, and then he&#039;ll get more responsibility to manage, and some responsibilities to let go of.  This is a far, far better model than musicians who keep waiitng for the next handout in order to &quot;do things right&quot;.  How about, &quot;just do things GREAT with what you have&quot;!

Thanks for writing this.  As one who has paid a lot of money for music, I can say from the b-2-b buyer&#039;s perspective, it&#039;s EXACTLY what a higher-up business person wants to see in a musician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a profoundly moving article.  I think the good lord will part the heavens for a man who makes the absolute-most of each and every day with the resources he has, and then he&#8217;ll get more responsibility to manage, and some responsibilities to let go of.  This is a far, far better model than musicians who keep waiitng for the next handout in order to &#8220;do things right&#8221;.  How about, &#8220;just do things GREAT with what you have&#8221;!</p>
<p>Thanks for writing this.  As one who has paid a lot of money for music, I can say from the b-2-b buyer&#8217;s perspective, it&#8217;s EXACTLY what a higher-up business person wants to see in a musician.</p>
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		<title>By: bass.player_2008</title>
		<link>http://www.independentrockstar.com/68/are-you-a-beggar-or-a-rockstar/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>bass.player_2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the encouraging words.  This is how I&#039;ve felt forever.   When I&#039;m busking, it&#039;s hard to stay focused on musicianship when the guy with a card board sign next to you is begging .  What do the customers see when they pass by a beggar and a musician?  Real music people arent hard to tell from beggars; the musician is giving something out without expecting aanything in return, beggars lay on you their negative problems in return for nothing .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the encouraging words.  This is how I&#8217;ve felt forever.   When I&#8217;m busking, it&#8217;s hard to stay focused on musicianship when the guy with a card board sign next to you is begging .  What do the customers see when they pass by a beggar and a musician?  Real music people arent hard to tell from beggars; the musician is giving something out without expecting aanything in return, beggars lay on you their negative problems in return for nothing .</p>
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		<title>By: Brian John Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www.independentrockstar.com/68/are-you-a-beggar-or-a-rockstar/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian John Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea that your show or CD should always have a value of $5 over whatever it costs.  I see so many bands with no stage presence &amp; it\&#039;s the biggest pet peeve I have.  Being a great musician &amp; even having great songs doesn\&#039;t make a valuable live show or even a CD for that matter.  There\&#039;s a craft beyond musicianship for being a live performer, you have to be an entertainer as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea that your show or CD should always have a value of $5 over whatever it costs.  I see so many bands with no stage presence &amp; it\&#8217;s the biggest pet peeve I have.  Being a great musician &amp; even having great songs doesn\&#8217;t make a valuable live show or even a CD for that matter.  There\&#8217;s a craft beyond musicianship for being a live performer, you have to be an entertainer as well.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentrockstar.com/68/are-you-a-beggar-or-a-rockstar/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks James!  What&#039;s up with the website?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks James!  What&#8217;s up with the website?</p>
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		<title>By: james hicks</title>
		<link>http://www.independentrockstar.com/68/are-you-a-beggar-or-a-rockstar/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>james hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are tha bomB dude. like your advice will use it. by tha way, i have a web site thats not that good, would like to talk to you about maybe designing mine for me.  thanks for what    you do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are tha bomB dude. like your advice will use it. by tha way, i have a web site thats not that good, would like to talk to you about maybe designing mine for me.  thanks for what    you do!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Voisey</title>
		<link>http://www.independentrockstar.com/68/are-you-a-beggar-or-a-rockstar/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Voisey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, you should maybe consider writing the &quot; Think and grow rich of musicianship&quot;
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, you should maybe consider writing the &#8221; Think and grow rich of musicianship&#8221;<br />
Cheers</p>
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